The Mindset

What did Christ say, once? There is no deafer man than who does not want to hear? It applies to women too! :-) Don't forget that antismoking is a religion!

Gian


What I know for sure is that there are many, many old smokers at the casino on Senior Day and they are all going to die of something:)

Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: Gian Turci
To: sam nettles ; elaine motes
Cc: * Michael McFadden ; cantiloper ; Samantha Phillipe
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: SAM, GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THIS

The problem with these anecdotes is the reverse attribution. The objective fact (in this case, gasping for air) exists, and it is ATTRIBUTED to what we BELIEVE is the cause, but the causality is not PROVEN, so the belief becomes the proof!!! We then turn to somebody in AUTHORITY to CONFIRM our beliefs -- and in case authorities disagree, we believe the one who agrees with our preconception, usually externally imposed, like in the case of cigarettes, and dismiss the other authority with some easy explanation à la "it has been paid by..." (write your beef here).As it can be seen, it is a chain of belief systems which has nothing to do with a scientifically demonstrated causality. In the specific example, if the brother-in-law would have been gasping for air and was a non smoker, the belief mechanism would have shifted to the next, most immediate "cause" offered by a "credible authority" to quickly and cheaply explain the phenomenon -- pollution from the factory next door, or something like that - and in that way justify the emotions tied to the non-acceptance of the unpleasant fact. The easy ideological bate is that the phenomenon (i.e.: gasping for air) WOULD NOT OCCUR unless there was a cause (that can be prevented and eliminated). Stretching this mentality we can easily state that death and disease would not occur if we were able to prevent all the causes. Here is the cheap dream of immortality packaged in cigarette format. :-) If we tax the cigarette we punish the smoker. If we punish the smoker people will smoke less and live longer, happier lives because they don't want to be punished, and cigarettes are EVIL (obviously Americans have learned nothing from the abysmal failure of the war on drugs).WRONG. Cigarettes are GOOD because they make you ENJOY whatever life you have before facing the INEVITABLE grave in which you'll go because of an INEVITABLE disease. Any other enjoyable choice of life is good for the same reasons. Which brings up the famous phrase of Thomas Szasz, the great American psychiatrist: "When all the causes of death will be eliminated, what will people die of"? :-)Time to wake up to reality, la-la land never existed but in our little heads. Taxation and prohibition never prevented death and disease - ever. But they sure always prevented people from being free and happy.GianAt 03:23 22/07/2007, sam nettles wrote:
You're right on about the presidents and the congress but the electorate is also to blame. Too many lies that have been believed. Can't buy the bad lungs from smoking. Happens to non-smokers too. I've known too many old healthy chain smokers. If the anti-smokers were right, they would all be dead. It doesn't take but a few to debunk all the junk science behind smoking bans. There are millions in the world. Tobacco smoke just can't cause cancer. Go to the above Cc addresses for all the info. info@smokersclub.comcantiloper@gmail.com gianturci@forcesitaly.org

Sam
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----- Original Message -----
From: elaine motes
To: sam nettles
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: SAM, GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THIS





Sorry to step on toes, but I watched my brother-in-law gasp for breath because of bad lungs from smoking, my brother-in-law was a worker, he liked to be working everyday, he would work for a while, gasp for air for awhile and my brother is on oxgyn part of each day because of it. But I feel if you want to smoke jump right on it.
I still feel we have a worthless congress and have had for several decades and the Presidents has been right there with them. I would like to get a pay araise like they get. I could vote myself one heck of a raise, couldn't you?

Elaine

----- Original Message -----
From: sam nettles
To: elaine motes
Cc: samnett@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: SAM, GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THIS

Sorry to hear that you are against smoking. I've been a heavy smoker since I was 10 years old and am now 70 and in good health. Congressional lung cancer would be great but it won't be because of tobacco smoke. More than likely it would be because of the industrial giants they protect.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: elaine motes
To: sam nettles
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: SAM, GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THIS

I am against smoking also, but I would rather wear a gas mask than have Hilary or John in the White House. Besides that cancer of the lung couldn't happen to a better bunch of people than the ones we have in congress and the white house for about the last 40 years.

Elaine

----- Original Message -----
From: sam nettles
To: Elaine Motes
Cc: jritchiejr ; samnett@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:33 AM

Subject: Fw: SAM, GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THIS

I just liked McCain because of his father and grandfather being admirals and his military record, both active and social!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: sam nettles
To: Jack Ritchie
Cc: samnett@msn.com
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: SAM, GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THIS

Glad to learn that!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Ritchie
To: sam nettles
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:58 AM

Subject: Re: SAM, GIVE ME YOUR OPINION OF THIS

Hi Sam,

Both Hilliary Clinton and McCain have always and still are strong anti-smokers. The first act Hilliary had done was to ban smoking on the White House premises when Bill Clinton was elected, and McCain has been in the forefront and a champion of every negative legislation against people who smoke.

JR
Houston, Tx